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Rowan

Tribal Matriarch dude
Right yesterday BT ADSL went down yet once more,but this time it wasn't only us that was affected,it was the whole bloody thing.
However my problem is with morpheus and my download speed.
Trying to download a film I get a speed of between 4 and .001 Kbs (I kid you not!),this means that over 100,000 hours will be needed to get a 90 minute film downloaded.Funny thing is that I have already ordered this film for when it comes out on DVD and I COULD wait for it,I just don't want to:)
Having posted on the ADSL news board I got put to a link that seems looks promising for giving me some ammo to aim at BT with so I thought I would place a link to it here:-
http://barman.servebeer.com/
Hopefully after I have throttled a couple of the BT *help desk*(thats a misnomer if ever I came across 1)I should be able to get enough bandwidth to actually play D2 again.
Can one of you teccy type peeps (someone who knows more than I do about this sort of thing,which is anyone on here)test this link for me and tell me in laymans terms what I should be looking for/at to complaine loudest, and even if the proggy is acurate/useful.
 

Mauler

Registered
Hmmm

HTTP : 58.79 Kbps
Kazaa/Morpheus : 58.52 Kbps
(Why beer? I'm SO hungover...blergh)

My ADSL seems fine, and since the whole service came back up yesterday it seems slightly faster than before!

Two things, hun.
1) Battle.Net is pap. Never forget this ;]

2) Morpheus (and some other file sharing progs) depend on the bandwidth avaliable not just your own but of the person you're downloading the file(s) from. If they're using a lot of their bandwidth for other things then they won't have much free to upload to you with. And some files, ESCPECIALLY MPGs and AVIs (most movies) can be several hundred Mb and depending on the bandwidth avaliable can indeed take hours to finish. With Morpheus it's best to download files which have a little '+' next to them in the 'Search' window - this is a file that has been found at more than one location, enabling you (in theory) to be able to download from each loctaion at the same time...which usually speeds up the transfer depending on how much bandwidth is avaliable from each individual source...and your own of course :]

Is that OK? :]
 

Cuthrose

f00l Mebmer
yeah BT did go down the drain i was have a crap night, the bt thing happened and it was really bad
ping of about 12000 in B.net and it could barly connect to icq or Msn!

so i sent my hate mail :)
 

Rowan

Tribal Matriarch dude
Thanks to you both and mauler luv...... I know b.net is pap but at least I can usually connect to it:)
Good point on the other peeps bandwidth and the + sign luv thx:)
 

Kelger

Sexy?
Get very variable speeds from morpheus depending on how popular a file is. If it's really popular lots of ppl have it so you get lots of simultaneous dl/s giving you an overall much better speed (can be limited by your max up)

I get anything between 0kbps and 80kbps on Morpheus.
Was getting my pint on the Kazaa related port at a nice 200+kbps :)

But then I'm not on ADSL :p
 

Agro

Mighty Morphin Power Member
BTO have mucked me around so badly in the past that I'm changing my ADSL ISP. Come the end of the year I'll be signed up with Freedom to surf. If only so that I'll be able to get a little bit of useful advice in the event of trouble. And not have to wait hours to get though to their help lines.

On Tuesday 20 November 2001 BT suffered network wide trouble when all their exchanges in the London area failed. This affected thousands of business and home users. No more than those using BTOpenworld. All Central London ADSL nodes had been paralysed.

BT published no information about the outage. I had to find out by looking up the www.adslguide.org.uk website from a PC in the office. The news page said that BTO estimated the outage to be cured by lunchtime, that day. When I got home my machine wasn�t cured. Though maybe it would be all right by the morning.

Wednesday morning came but my Internet was still down. I had to call their 0845 number and got through to the support line. There was a �Special Message� on the line that said,

�If you have an ADSL router; unplug the router for up to three minutes before attempting to reattach to the Internet. If you have a USB, ADSL modem; please unplug the modem, restart your machine and reattach the modem.�

Dutifully, I followed the procedure in the message. I had tried it previously but was sure that BTO would ask me to do it again before they spoke to me properly. Not too surprisingly, as it hadn�t solved the problem yesterday, it didn�t today.

This first test out the way I called support line again. Listened to the �Special Message� again and waited for a member of their support team to answer. The line went dead. Okay, I�m calling at 11:30pm; maybe the line is only open during office hours. I�ll leave it till Wednesday.

Wednesday at work I dialled in from the hands free phone on my office desk. I listened to the �Special Message� again and waited for a member of the support team. I waited for more than half an hour, while I got on with my normal work. Just before I gave up hope a lovely woman answered. She established who I was and what my problem was before asking the killer question,

�Are you at you�re computer now?�

Well actually no, I can�t be. You only have a work hours phone support line. If I call when I�m at home, in front of the computer then your lines are dead. But I�ve used these support lines before and I�ve come up with the solution. I�m at work at the moment, sadly 3 zones away from my PC, but I�ve left it on with my ADSL modem plugged in.

�I�m sorry sir, but we�re not able to offer you support unless you�re at your machine.� �It is a 24hr phone support line though. You shouldn�t have any problems calling in when you get in tonight.�

Oh, maybe there�s a different, out of hours, phone number?

�No, call the same number.�

But I tried to get though last night and the line just went dead.

�Oh��

�Occasionally when there are too many people calling in at the same time our system can�t handle the calls. Instead of taking the call and keeping people waiting for hours it just goes dead. Where you calling at a peek time?�

I wonder what the nations favourite time to complain to BTO about their crap service is?

�Try calling at 10pm, that�s out quietest period.�

Quieter than 11:30pm?

�Can I give you a reference number again, so you don�t have to repeat the problem?�

Thanks.

Get home (about 10pm anyway) call the support line again. Listened to �Special Message� again. Waited for a member of the support team. Line went dead. Must be peek period still; I�ll give them ten minutes before I try again. Make a cup of tea and sit down in front of my PC. Call the support line again. Listened to �Special Message� again. Waited for a member of the support team again. Line went dead again. Hmmm. I really need to go to bed soon. Oh well I suppose I could do my expenses for the month. One hour later: call the support line again. Listened to �Special Message� again. Waited for a member of the support team again. Line was ringing. Wahoo! Now I just need to wait for someone to answer. Alas I don�t have the hands free but not to worry it can�t be that long a wait at midnight. Waited. Try waiting for half an hour without removing the phone from your ear while you listen to the same pointless, quiet little tune. I�d liken the experience to having your ear super glued to the speaker in an elevator at a shopping mall.

Finally, some spotty little school leaver answered.

�Hello, my name is Glen. You�re through to the BTOpenworld support group.�

No really! I was wondering who I�d been on hold to!

�Can I have you�re user name or you�re ADSL phone number?�

Oh my God! It�s a human being!

After I�d stopped sarcastically enquiring about when the music was going to be released on CD, I gave him my user name and the reference number. His response was astonishing.

�Can you turn your computer off and then back on again please?�

Oh dear.

I�ve done that already; I still can�t attach.

�What version of drivers are you using?�

They are latest ones. Actually I�m not certain they are the latest once, some could have come out this week I�ll check the internet now shall I?

Okay I hadn�t quite finished being sarcastic.

Oh no, I can�t! I haven�t had ADSL since Monday night.

�Can you try uninstalling the ADSL modem and reinstalling for me?�

No I can�t. Or more to the point, I won�t. Everything worked fine right up until your network crashed on Tuesday. There�s nothing wrong with my modem or my computer. There is however, something wrong with your exchange.

�Okay sir, I�m going to have to pass this over to our engineers. You can expect a call from them when they have identified the problem.�

Having worked for a news-feed company for a few years now. I�ve gleaned a bit of background knowledge on how these systems work. After hearing him say �them� my curiosity got the better of me.

I take it you�re engineering group is an outsourced company then?

�Oh yes.� He chirped proudly. �They are very good. They�re the same people who support AOL.�

I gulped audibly and hung up. In the world of ISPs there are few companies I hold in more contempt than AOL: mainly because of their software. One of the few things Windows has always done well is the dial up networking application. AOL software disables this and all networking facilities by installing its own version. For the beginner this means that no other ISP will work on that PC after AOL has been installed. Maybe their engineering group is better. Maybe.

Thursday and Friday come and go. Still there�s no phone call. I decide, on Saturday, to give the support number a call again. Check they are still on the case.

I call the support line again and listened to the �Special Message� again. I wait for a member of their support team again. Much to my surprise I�m answered almost immediately by a female voice, though I�m not able to catch her name. I divulge my user name and reference number again and inform her I�m just calling for an update.

�Oh yes sir, we�ve found a fault with our system.�

Good. So you�ll be fixing it then?

�Well we need to know when you�re going to be available for an engineer to attend your site?�

But the fault is with your exchange. Why do I need to have an engineer in my house?

�Its just a precaution. About 90% of problems don�t even need a site visit.�

Fine, just get the engineer to fix the problem at the exchange then. How does right now suit you?

�We can�t organise visits at weekends.�

Not a problem, I�m working a 7am till 3pm shift next week. Book one in for four.

�Ah.�

Ah?

�Well we only have slots available from 9am through till 3pm, Monday to Friday.�

Oh. Has this not struck you as a slightly odd policy? I mean the only way that a home user would be at home during these times is if he was on holiday, on a night shift or unemployed. You can�t really believe that all your home users are willing to meet your engineers is to take holiday leave, work through the hours of darkness or become unemployed?

�Err.�

Okay, how about this. Using your own statistics how about I book an engineer for 9am Monday morning. I�m not going to be in but there�s a fairly slim chance the engineer with actually need to visit my house. That way if the problem can be fixed at the exchange then there�s a 90% chance I�ll have an Internet connection when I get home. If however, it can�t be fixed at the exchange we�ll start making arrangements at that time for a site visit.

�We can�t do that sir. If the call requires a site visit we�ll be forced to book another engineer our own expense.�

And I care, why? Frankly BTO have been completely **** about this. There service is crap. I�ve had to speak to three different people to get the call to this stage. I�m still without my ADSL connection after four and a half days and due to my, not entirely abnormal, working hours you can�t arrange for my systems to be fixed until early next year?

�Give me a minute sir. and I�ll try and find someone that might understand your logic to listen to your sob story.�

Was I just insulted then?

Shortly she returned and explained that there are a few areas in Britain that have engineers available after 3pm. She would pass my call over and I was to expect a call later. Maybe I would be one of the lucky ones. Maybe

As it transpired I did get a call back a few minutes later and have arranged for a visit to be made on Tuesday at 3:30pm. It will mean skulking out of work early but that�s got to be better than loosing some of my Christmas holiday.
 

Rowan

Tribal Matriarch dude
Right luv, first thing to do is make sure you have on hand all the *complaint/help desk* numbers that you have been given.
Then ring the 0845 number and go to the *billing* enquiry desk.
Tell them about your problems and give them the latest and oldest complaint numbers you have and they will look up on their system what times you were not able to connect,and will refund you the time.
So we have clocked up 18 days in November and they are going to knock 21 days off our next months bill for this.
THEN ask them to transfer you to the *help desk* as they can push you in front of the queue (doesnt always work and they wont try it for you IF they think you just got hold of them to do this).
The last two times I have rung them I have refused to:-
unplug modem/reboot comp/plug in modem
reinstall frog software
try the test line(though this does get you into the net at least IF the problem isn't at you end)
[get your dial up networking and type this as your connection address:-
bt_test@startup_domain
pass word blank
phone number is 0845 1234(whatever as it doesn't actually dial but you must put summat here)
try to connect.]
IF you can connect doing this then the problem is DEFINATLY NOT at your end.

As I have tried this a lot before and I can always connect using test and never on our own connection,I usually try these BEFORE I ring and won't do em again for them .
As to the engineers LOL
I AM in all day and so do not have the same problem you do there,however I have NEVER had them actually come out even though I have had over 10 appointments for them to come,HOWEVER we have had a load of phone calls asking us to plug in the machine for them to remote test them,which is strange as the machine is ALWAYS plugged in during the day even without Internet connection to run SETI.

Also subscribe to the mail at BTOpenworld to get the latest info(not from broadband announcements but usually vander bin will post within 10 secs of it going down,to complain on the broadband tech support site) this way you can tell if it's just you or every body.
Go to tools on the IE,mail and news ,read mail subscribe to:-
btopenworld.broadband.announce
btopenworld.broadband.chat
btopenworld.broadband.gamers.chat
btopenworld.broadband.support
btopenworld.broadband.technical.chat

as with say the blizzard site,you will find it full of whingers and whiners for the most part BUT there are some very nice tech helpers there and you do keep up with the news.

1 thing I have noticed about it is that even though they whine and say they are leaving that they are mostly still there even after their year's contract is up as all the ISP's that are not cable use BT's network to get you on (i.e if BT is down so is everyone else) and they are cheaper than everyone else too.It's just the 0845 side of the deal that people cannot stand.

sorry for the waffling but I kept thinking of new fings to say:p
 

Agro

Mighty Morphin Power Member
please, feel free to waffle away :) Some really iseful stuff in there, Thanks.

I was talking to the nice sales girl at F2S and she was saying that a lot of people have problems cancelling the contract with BTO. BTO don't seem to want to free up the connection and they end up cancelling your username without freeing up the link for another ISP to allow you to connect.

The stuff about how to circumvent the long queues in the support desk is somehting I'll be inclined to try in the future. However I tried calling the support number at F2S, a couple of times during the week, as a test and got through within 3 rings each time. They might be getting a bit bummed by the crank calls ;) I think that any comapny who's support lines are so jammed with callers should be worried. Possibly BTO are so good that every client they have wants to call them every half hour to congratulate them and accidentally calls the support number however it might be because their systems/management/policies are crap. The very fact that there are secret ways to bypass a phone line to get to speak to a human means the phone lines aren't doing the job.
 

MedicineMan

Full Member
Not read all the above but I believe some boffin actually proved that BT are throttling connections made with peer to peer connections . Stuff like Napster and Morpheos is reduced to a trickle .
Don't quote me , just remember reading about it somewhere .
 
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