Taians
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meh, blame my friends for all being rich fuckers then, that was fairly standard for them(though yeah, wasn't generally for pvp usage)
Mission running ships can get expensive if you deck them out. Got one thats worth around 2.5 billion.
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Mission running ships can get expensive if you deck them out. Got one thats worth around 2.5 billion.
Chick
Cartwheel RIGHT
90 bil is ALOT in cash, it's enough to buy a titan and 2 motherships, ot tower spam a reigon. Or keep me in ships for a week
Then again, at it's hight, INSRG was pulling in 30 bil a month from moon mining . The problem now is the guy has loads of assets to sell, No Friends, and a permanent KOS from most of the eve universe. He's been kicked from 3 corps in teh last wek or so apaprently for being "That guy". Whilst he can purchase a new cahracter with the ISK, the sitgma will always be on him. He's really fucked himself.
Tai - want one of these:
http://kb.phalanx-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=30724
possibly around 50 bil
Then again, at it's hight, INSRG was pulling in 30 bil a month from moon mining . The problem now is the guy has loads of assets to sell, No Friends, and a permanent KOS from most of the eve universe. He's been kicked from 3 corps in teh last wek or so apaprently for being "That guy". Whilst he can purchase a new cahracter with the ISK, the sitgma will always be on him. He's really fucked himself.
Tai - want one of these:
http://kb.phalanx-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=30724
possibly around 50 bil
Entropy
Full Member
That's the thing about EVE though it's not a game designed around ethics, if you want to shaft people out of money within the game rules you're allowed free run, the only difference is that in something on the internet you can do something like that, change account and have no backlash or real accountability, steal something off your mates or a company like that out in the real world and there will be consequences because other people and there ethics (ignoring the law) can't be avoided quite as easily.
McHoff H. McChrist
4" Member
Morals are relative, not absolute.
And you can't really convert ISK into real cash, as it's not freely tradable. You can buy gametime, which, while nice, isn't exactly food.
No-one's going to go hungry from losing in-game cash, no-one's going to die, etc etc.
You may see it morally reprehensible, but /shrug it's a game. I wouldn't kill someone IRL, but I'm happy to kill someone in games.
And you can't really convert ISK into real cash, as it's not freely tradable. You can buy gametime, which, while nice, isn't exactly food.
No-one's going to go hungry from losing in-game cash, no-one's going to die, etc etc.
You may see it morally reprehensible, but /shrug it's a game. I wouldn't kill someone IRL, but I'm happy to kill someone in games.
Entropy
Full Member
Morals are relative, not absolute.
And you can't really convert ISK into real cash, as it's not freely tradable. You can buy gametime, which, while nice, isn't exactly food.
No-one's going to go hungry from losing in-game cash, no-one's going to die, etc etc.
You may see it morally reprehensible, but /shrug it's a game. I wouldn't kill someone IRL, but I'm happy to kill someone in games.
Your last point is totally different, as well you know!
Re converting ISK into real cash, I was under the impression that you were able to sell game cards for real money, and you were able to buy them with ISK. I agree that morality is subjective; it's one of the reasons why the law can never be moral. But my point is, it's irrelevant from an ethical perspective that the game condones the theft by its absence of a justice system.
Zeus
Full Member
erm, ofc its relevant. games are a separate reality, where different things are allowed, and thus 'ethical' within the constraints of the game.
otherwise you're saying its ethically wrong for me to kill someone in wow (or gta4). clearly its not.
even if we attach a real-life-cash-value to killing someone in a game (which, i'd point out, eve doesn't as you can't convert eve into cash), it doesn't become ethically or morally wrong - or are all the people playing in the WoW arena tournament (with the cash prizes) morally reprehensible too? and yes, people in the WoW tournament have agreed to be in that situation - but then, the players in eve have also implicitly agreed to be in that situation, by taking part in it themselves.
...thats not to say that nicking 90bill is a nice thing to do of course
(incidently, this wasn't what i really meant in my original post btw, in that i was just focussing purely on the metagame/legal aspects of it
but since ent replied to me i figure i might as well respond to it )
Zeus
Full Member
i just don't really see ethics as coming into the equation in a game. yes it's theft - but its theft by one ingame char perpetrated on another ingame char
is it ethically questionable to blow up someones 2.5bill isk mission ship? well, sortof - its not a nice thing to do, but if it's what you're playing the game for then fair enough, go for it. Its not something i'd do, but within the game it is an allowable course of action. just as it's an allowable course of action for the rest of the eve playerbase to hate you for it.
is it ethically questionable to conquer someones PoS, that they've put weeks/months into buying, setting up, running, etc? in a way, yes, as its taking something by force - but equally, its a feature designed into the game.
to me, this is similar to that. the only problem in this situation is that the wronged parties have basically nothing they can do about it. If a ships destroyed - they can get revenge. if a stations taken - they can get it back (in theory). if a char scams you out of $90bill and then sends it all to an alt.... there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
personally though, i do think that eve needs more of a justice system. i know they want the playerbase to police itself, or whatever, but that just doesnt work. not when people can just transfer stuff to an different char (not even a new one - they could buy one with some of their ill-gotten isk, from what i understand.). there needs to be some way of tracking this sort of activity, so that you can see where this guy ends up, and hunt him down to reclaim your stuff.
is it ethically questionable to blow up someones 2.5bill isk mission ship? well, sortof - its not a nice thing to do, but if it's what you're playing the game for then fair enough, go for it. Its not something i'd do, but within the game it is an allowable course of action. just as it's an allowable course of action for the rest of the eve playerbase to hate you for it.
is it ethically questionable to conquer someones PoS, that they've put weeks/months into buying, setting up, running, etc? in a way, yes, as its taking something by force - but equally, its a feature designed into the game.
to me, this is similar to that. the only problem in this situation is that the wronged parties have basically nothing they can do about it. If a ships destroyed - they can get revenge. if a stations taken - they can get it back (in theory). if a char scams you out of $90bill and then sends it all to an alt.... there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
personally though, i do think that eve needs more of a justice system. i know they want the playerbase to police itself, or whatever, but that just doesnt work. not when people can just transfer stuff to an different char (not even a new one - they could buy one with some of their ill-gotten isk, from what i understand.). there needs to be some way of tracking this sort of activity, so that you can see where this guy ends up, and hunt him down to reclaim your stuff.
Chick
Cartwheel RIGHT
How did he manage to lose that in 0.6? Nice mission runner setup though
Suidice gank
In 0.6 it takes concord about 20-30 second to spawn
Get 10 ravens, fit with navy torps and heavy nos insta-pop his cap then 3 salvo's of torps each = dead anything.
COncotrd show up, blow everythign up.
Alt scoops loot.
Giggle on TS.
The estamel's invuln that dropped is worth 6-10bil.
Note: I, EDF, whichever corp i'll join soon, and INSRG do not condone theft, piracy, suicide ganking, blowing up people's expensive toys, giggling on TS, getting robbed, making RL threats, Taking people's space because they are weak, losing space because they are weeker, boat violence, or low-sec piracy.
We do condone kittens.
Edit:
Beginners guide to suicide ganking:
1. Get a stealth bomber, a cargo scanner and a passive targetter, some t1 BCU's and t1 Cruise launchers and about 10 Faction Cruises Maybe a gtarget painter if you feel lucky.
2. Get an alt with a Hauler & Cloak.
3. Sit 10km from a busy gate, in line with the popular in-gate. Setup overvierw to only show t1 frigates / shuttles.
4. Scan any ships on autopilot (Landing at 15km) If they have loot worth more than your insured ship, Blow it up, lose ship, scoop loot
5 Rinse & Repeat.
Edit2:
Regardiung the theft, He's a cunt, there is no denying it's within the rules of the game but he's killed the game for him. Peopel he's played with for 2 years won't talk to him, his character is Dead, can't be sold etc. No corp will take him in - not even the "Pirate corps" as they at least have balls IF he had planned it as a heist, then you could say "Fair dues mate - good one" maybe, but it was just idiocy & Stupidity he has to pay for.
Word on the street is he's quit eve.
Bye, Faggot.
Edit3:
he has 1x Polycarb rig of mine
Sorontar
Full Member
You see in secure space Concord should come along with doughnuts, put up yellow tape, put a big white chalk outline in space of the ship and give it
"Move along people,nothing to see here ....... you pick that up and I'm gonna put a cap in your ass boy!"
Then owner of said wreckage can come along and pick it up.
"Move along people,nothing to see here ....... you pick that up and I'm gonna put a cap in your ass boy!"
Then owner of said wreckage can come along and pick it up.