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Requiel
PVC Love God
Since they revamped the new character system, the only ingame difference between the races is which racial frigate skill you start with. As <xx> Frigate III represents something like 3 hours of training in total, it's no big deal at all to just pick the race you like the portraits of the best then train up the racial ships you want.
Requiel
PVC Love God
Don't worry about how much money you have. If you want to do PvP then do it and worry about making money in the times between flying out to kill people.
The attitude that you can't fight without a warchest is defeatist thinking. Sure you'll lose ships but it's easily possible to make money while PvPing. Plus, with T1 ships your losses will be pretty small after insurance.
The attitude that you can't fight without a warchest is defeatist thinking. Sure you'll lose ships but it's easily possible to make money while PvPing. Plus, with T1 ships your losses will be pretty small after insurance.
Heh, Req, I can't help myself. 
I have been known to take the pessimistic approach to life, but it has worked out reasonably well for me so far.
Either way, I have been doing a lot of research recently and found out that a lot of people find that looking and salvaging L4 missions is a waste of time... Makes me wonder whether I could try a partnership with someone like that. He kills everything, I loot and salvage, we split the money. He would have no additional effort (aside from warping me to him after he has completed a room) and would get cash "for free" as well as gang bonuses... Do you think there might be people around in high sec space that would go for that?
I have been known to take the pessimistic approach to life, but it has worked out reasonably well for me so far. Either way, I have been doing a lot of research recently and found out that a lot of people find that looking and salvaging L4 missions is a waste of time... Makes me wonder whether I could try a partnership with someone like that. He kills everything, I loot and salvage, we split the money. He would have no additional effort (aside from warping me to him after he has completed a room) and would get cash "for free" as well as gang bonuses... Do you think there might be people around in high sec space that would go for that?
On L3 missions, what I make in salvage is usually more than what I make between mission rewards and bounties... I am fairly slow when killing, a Damsel in Distress L3 almost cost me my ship. I had to hype out at 30% armour left, losing all my T2 Drones.
Salvage ended up being about 50% more than mission reward and bounty combined.
I had to hype out at 30% armour left, losing all my T2 Drones. Salvage ended up being about 50% more than mission reward and bounty combined.
Requiel
PVC Love God
You'll probably find that mission runners won't be keen on that idea. For it to work, you'll need to be in the same fleet, which means that bounties will be split also there's a chance you could be a suicide ganker out to kill expensive missioning ships and so there's a significant trust issue.
You could of course do this without his permission. Simply fit a salvaging ship with a scan probe launcher and probe out mission runners. You can salvage wrecks without being tagged as a thief as long as you don't loot from them.
When I did L4s, I ran the mission in my Dominix then bookmarked the wrecks before warping back to the agent to claim my reward. I'd then come back out in a salvaging destroyer to scoop all the loot and salvage the wrecks. That was pretty fast and made a lot more money than simply blitzing missions without salvaging.
You could of course do this without his permission. Simply fit a salvaging ship with a scan probe launcher and probe out mission runners. You can salvage wrecks without being tagged as a thief as long as you don't loot from them.
When I did L4s, I ran the mission in my Dominix then bookmarked the wrecks before warping back to the agent to claim my reward. I'd then come back out in a salvaging destroyer to scoop all the loot and salvage the wrecks. That was pretty fast and made a lot more money than simply blitzing missions without salvaging.
That's what I am currently doing with L3s. I have a salvaging Catalyst for that.
I had kinda hoped that being in a salvage fitted Destroyer might solve any trust issues, as it is unlikely I will be able to gank anybody like that. I read somewhere you do not get bounties split if I am not "within sight" of the kill. So I had hoped I would be able to wait for Partner A to clear the room, he can then warp me in if he is gang leader, I salvage without leeching any bounties, rinse and repeat.
Guess it's not going to work like that.
I had kinda hoped that being in a salvage fitted Destroyer might solve any trust issues, as it is unlikely I will be able to gank anybody like that. I read somewhere you do not get bounties split if I am not "within sight" of the kill. So I had hoped I would be able to wait for Partner A to clear the room, he can then warp me in if he is gang leader, I salvage without leeching any bounties, rinse and repeat.
Guess it's not going to work like that.
Requiel
PVC Love God
If you're in a fleet you can warp to any fleet member in space in the same system. You could start out in a salvage fit destroyer and then switch out for your gank ship at any time, warp to him and ruin his day. I don't remember if bounties are split between members in space (like for bonuses) or if you have to actually be on the same grid. Either way it's abusable as you can simply warp to his mission in a cloaked ship and get half the bounties without him knowing.
Nymawae
Eternal Trial Member
Well I decided to bite the bullet and have a go. Funnily enough I found I had a dormant account from 2005 when I tried a 14 day trial for a few days so I reactivated that and paid for 30 days.
No idea what I'm doing so I left wherever it was I'd last logged off, found a rookie system and am going through the tutorial although I seem to be flying a somewhat better frigate (I'm Gallante and in a Tristan) than the tutorial is expecting.
In any case I'm flying as Alf Saddlebags so feel free to hurl abuse at me if you spot me online (although it's doubtful that I'd be able to work out the comms channels yet )
No idea what I'm doing so I left wherever it was I'd last logged off, found a rookie system and am going through the tutorial although I seem to be flying a somewhat better frigate (I'm Gallante and in a Tristan) than the tutorial is expecting.
In any case I'm flying as Alf Saddlebags so feel free to hurl abuse at me if you spot me online (although it's doubtful that I'd be able to work out the comms channels yet
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Nymawae
Eternal Trial Member
It is very pretty and doesn't seem to need a mega machine either.
Dunno about the noob thing as I'm only just giving it a try. The impression I get is there is quite a steep learning curve, however a combination of the rather good tutorials in game and people like Req and Dara here answering daft questions as they come up helps.
For me my only real concern is that the attraction to me of EVE and other mmos now is it's going to take quite some time to PvP in an effective fun way (well, actually more organised PvP like DAoc/WAR RvR, indiscriminate PvP ganking gets real old real quick).
So for me I'm giving it a go with my standard MMO theory that if I pay for it and get a months fun then it's no loss. Anything else is a bouns
The fact that you can learn skills whilst offline appeals to me as I have limited play time, although I think the challenge is going to be money quite quickly. I'll need to invest time to make enough money to be able to PvP and afford to lose ships. Perhaps I'll be just happy to find a Corporation that'll allow me to dabble with Frigates and lower end ships for PvP.
Frankly I've not played enough to know what the hell I'm talking about but so far it seems pretty and fun so that's enough for me for the moment
Dunno about the noob thing as I'm only just giving it a try. The impression I get is there is quite a steep learning curve, however a combination of the rather good tutorials in game and people like Req and Dara here answering daft questions as they come up helps.
For me my only real concern is that the attraction to me of EVE and other mmos now is it's going to take quite some time to PvP in an effective fun way (well, actually more organised PvP like DAoc/WAR RvR, indiscriminate PvP ganking gets real old real quick).
So for me I'm giving it a go with my standard MMO theory that if I pay for it and get a months fun then it's no loss. Anything else is a bouns
The fact that you can learn skills whilst offline appeals to me as I have limited play time, although I think the challenge is going to be money quite quickly. I'll need to invest time to make enough money to be able to PvP and afford to lose ships. Perhaps I'll be just happy to find a Corporation that'll allow me to dabble with Frigates and lower end ships for PvP.
Frankly I've not played enough to know what the hell I'm talking about but so far it seems pretty and fun so that's enough for me for the moment
Nymawae
Eternal Trial Member
I think you get a slightly longer free trial (21 days instead of 14) if some one refers you, PM .e you email (or email me it, my email in sig) and I'll refer you with the buddy program (think I get some free play time as well, woohoo!!!)
McHoff H. McChrist
4" Member
There's "police" protection in high security areas. If someone attacks you, police ships warp in and spank them.
The best ore/missions/etc is in low security areas without this protection, though.
It almost made mining fun, going on escorted mining runs deep into low-sec space as a group.
The best ore/missions/etc is in low security areas without this protection, though.
It almost made mining fun, going on escorted mining runs deep into low-sec space as a group.
Also, Dara=Noob, so it is probably better to take other peoples advice over mine. ;-) I tend to like weird stuff in the game, like fitting a ship that everybody armourtanks with shields and doing passive shield tanking with it, etc. ;-)
As far as pvp goes, I am told there are some corps out there that help with replacing parts of the losses from pvp, so it might be a good choice to try hooking up with one of them. Don't know any, but a friend mentioned there being some.
As far as pvp goes, I am told there are some corps out there that help with replacing parts of the losses from pvp, so it might be a good choice to try hooking up with one of them. Don't know any, but a friend mentioned there being some.
